This is not the UN meeting. This is a court, international court case. What the hell is dirty about carbon dioxide? Nothing.

It’s nature’s trace atmospheric gas essential for all life on the planet. There’s nothing dirty about it. And there’s no no evidence anywhere that any carbon dioxide from human activity affects the climate or affects any aspect of climate to. So, you know that. [End video]

Well, here at the Topher project, we’ve been warning for some time about the UN and their efforts to seemingly maneuver themselves into a position where they can actually begin to take legal action against countries like Australia if they, in the UN’s exclusive opinion, are not lifting enough weight, carrying their own weight when it comes to climate change and specifically CO2 emissions reductions.

If you’re a regular viewer, you may remember a video a few months ago talking about the UN handing down the international court rather handing down an opinion that really did seem to set a precedent for such lawsuits. Well, now we have some developments because the UN have attached themselves to an Australian court case regarding the Woodside gas plant and this appears to be their very first effort to directly inject themselves into an Australian lawsuit. One of the people raising the alarm and one of the people who’s been consistently very good on this issue is Senator Malcolm Roberts and he joins me here on the Topher project. Senator, thank you so much for making the time.

[From video]

You’re welcome ,Topher. Thank you for what you’re doing around Australia, in fact, globally. [End video]

Well, I’m I’m doing the best that I can and I couldn’t do it without people like yourself bringing stories like this to my attention. And it was actually something that you posted on social media that brought this to my attention in the first place. Can you tell us what is the news? What is Woodside for those that perhaps aren’t quite across that? And what have the UN and and this special uh person at the UN said they’re going to do?

[From video]

Well, Woodside has just been granted permission, authority, approval, approval probably from the environment or minister, ministers of the environment. Um, and and that means that it can uh continue its Woodside browse project uh Northwest Shelf LNP, LNG gas exports for another 70 years. So, the the climate warriors are are upset about that. The climate doomsayers are upset about that and they’re using every trick in the book they can to do this and they’re pulling a trick out of the United Nations which we forecast would be used and this is not the worst of it, Topher we can discuss this and then move on to something far far worse. [End video]

Well, I’m sorry to interrupt my interview with Senator Malcolm Roberts. We’ll get back to him in just a second. But first, my name’s Topher Field. This is the Topher project and this is what I do. I bring you stories and interviews that you won’t find elsewhere and certainly even with stories that have made the news. For example, this story did make the news, but we can bring more perspective and background and understanding of what’s really going on.

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You’ll also find my t-shirts and hoodies in a range of different designs. And I’ve got five designs that are actually being discontinued at the end of November, which is just not even two weeks away now. So, if you’d like to grab some of those classic designs before they go out of print while they’re still in stock, then make sure you head over to goodpeoplebreakbadlaws.com and put your order through today. Now, without further ado, let’s get back to Senator Malcolm Roberts. Well, I look forward to that. I do want to stick with this project for just a moment because for me this was a rare return of sanity, a little bit of a breath of fresh air uh when Mar what the relevant minister did give the approval to extend the life of this northwest west shelf project out until uh with with the permission also to expand and potentially even to connect to some other gas fields and become an export depot allowing Australia really to make the the best and the most of our liquefied natural gas resources and help to power not only Australia but also the world.

I Guess it was inevitable that the usual suspects, the climate warriors would try and shut this down. What is slightly I don’t want to say unexpected because you’ve seen this coming. I’ve seen this coming. But what I guess is a new development is the attachment of the UN specifically. What is it that they’re trying to do here?

[From video]

They’re trying to influence what’s happening in this country. They’re trying to apply pressure to the a rapper only I got the definition is a person that an organization appoints to report on proceedings of its meetings of its meetings. This is not the UN meeting. This is a court, international court case. Uh and and the the United Nations is trying to inject itself in as a political weapon, as a point of pressure. They’ve got no standing other than giving advice which the UN has never given properly on climate honestly on climate. So that’s what they’re there for as a friend of the of the court to give advice and they’re injecting themselves into this into the proceedings uh without being a plaintiff in any way. [End video]

Yeah. This is one of the things that concerns me. The UN have come in here uh trying to tread very softly I suspect and pretend as though they’re not doing exactly what they’re doing because they’re not as you say a party to this case. They don’t have standing. They’re injecting themselves as what is known as an amicus curiae a friend of the court. Now, these are these are something that exists. This is done from time to time and typically it’s someone who is a subject matter expert who is able to advise the court on specialist legal or medical or other matters like that. But typically this such a person would have to be unbiased and surely on that basis alone any UN Rapporteur could not possibly be a friend of the court.

[From video]

You’re absolutely correct. Um this is the UN Special Rapporteur on the human right to a clean healthy and sustainable environment. Topher, what the hell is dirty about carbon dioxide? Nothing. It’s nature’s trace atmospheric gas essential for all life on the planet. There’s nothing dirty about it. It is absolutely essential to life, to the environment, to human civilization. And so they fabricated this and they want to intervene in Australia’s international obligations. There are no obligations that we have internationally to cut human carbon dioxide other than those that our Liberal Labor Uni-Party have made up, fabricated. [End video]

Well, this is the important point here because often times when our government, the Uni party sign up to these UN agreements, they often like to stress the fact it’s not legally binding. we will still have the right to choose what we do. It’s one of the defenses that they use to justify signing up to these things. So, the UN’s actions in a way do appear to undercut that very argument, that very rationale, and would suggest that in fact the UN at least believes that it can hold Australia legally responsible to some degree.

[From video]

Well, what the UN is talking about is supposed liability for transboundary climate claims. Their words, the supposed liability, well, that’s my word. Supposed liability for transboundary climate claims. In other words, what we’re doing here is affecting the atmosphere in Peru, Bolivia, United States, Russia, elsewhere around the world. And there’s no evidence anywhere that any carbon dioxide from human activity affects the climate or affects any aspect of climate. So, you know that. So, what they’re trying to do is shut down our exports of life saving, lifegiving, life enhancing uh natural hydrocarbon fuels. And that’s that’s all they’re trying to do. They’re trying to control energy. The United Nations is a globalist entity to try and control people so they can transfer wealth from you and me, the people around the world to the United Nations and to the the uh the predatory billionaires and corporations that they work for. [End video]

Well, the COP 30 talk fest has just happened in Brazil. Let’s put aside the fact that they cut a 12 km long superhighway through the middle of protected rainforest. Let’s put aside all of the private jets flying from all over the globe to what is a relatively remote part of the globe. uh from the perspective of of Europe certainly let’s put aside all of that and and reflect on the fact that Donald Trump didn’t feel the need to send a single official US government delegate uh that is such is their opinion of climate change and of CO2 specifically China well they’ve sent plenty of delegates but they haven’t actually bothered to reduce their emissions they are climbing very rapidly and the global emissions are going to keep going up on what basis should Australia be a sending literally hundreds of delegates far more than our our size as an economy as a population or as an emitter would suggest best is appropriate to such a conference. We’ve sent hundreds upon hundreds, but also the sacrifices that we’re being told that we need to make. How does this make sense in the scheme of a world that just does not seem to be going down the same path?

[From video]

It doesn’t make any sense at all. To the Paris agreement was not an agreement. It was a Clayton’s agreement. Basically, what countries had to do was say what they were willing to do. China basically said go to hell. India said much the same. We will we will reassess our civilization’s developmental needs in 2050 and then maybe we will consider making a target. Australia said we’re going to destroy our economy with committing suicide. Now, I so there’s no real Paris agreement. But what this is is illustrative of the way the United the way the United Nations impinge on Australia. It’s got nothing to do with the United Nations. They have no authority over us. What happens is our dopey buggers in Canberra, Liberal and Labour Uni party and the nationals with them come back from these international talk fairs and swear on their hearts that they will enact legislation to gut our economy to comply with the Paris agreement which China said no. India has said no basically not not in so many words and and so what we’re doing is we are gutting our country.

We are now looking at stopping exports from coal and and natural gas producers in this country. Well, while the United States has become overtaken us to become the the leading exporter of gas, Qatar has overtaken us again and become the second num number two. Indonesia is now our number one exporter of of coal around the world. So, it doesn’t matter what we do except we will ourselves. As I as I said, the UN has no authority, no jurisdiction, no right over our country. The only right that’s given is when our dopey politicians in Canberra come up with some agreement to implement UN policy. That’s it. [End video]

Look, I wish I could disagree with you, but I where’s the lie? Uh un unfortunately. Now, just to put a pin in the court case before we move on, that is slated to be heard in July next year, July 2026. And I think it’s an absolute disgrace that such uh large investments and projects that really do affect so many jobs, so much tax revenue, so much investment, and the energy security of people in so many parts of the world should be kept on tent hooks for so long. But moving on, we’ve just seen the Nationals Party, they have officially walked away from their net zero by 2050 target, but they said they would try and find other ways of reducing emissions. We’ve just seen the Liberals say that they’re also abandoning net zero by 2050, but they’re going to stay in the Paris agreement. What does this actually mean in practical terms? Are they going to be able to bring down power prices and and help us with the cost of living and the cost of doing business in Australia if they’re still going to be so focused on reducing CO2 emissions?

[From video]

If they’re if their power price reductions that they’re talking about have as much credibility as their net zero claim, then they’ve got no chance at all because they have not abandoned net zero. They have abandoned the time frame over which net zero is achieved. They still want targets. They haven’t set them yet, but what they’re trying to do is straddle both sides of a barb wire fence. And you know how that ends up? It ends up in a lot of pain for everyone. And so the these people are pretending they got the headlines because the media was fooled. They got the headlines that they pulled out of net zero, but they haven’t. They’re still there. They’re still making their targets, but the targets will be slower to be achieved. They are not changing a damn thing. Now, One Nation is the only party that’s opposed net zero from the start. And I must remind people that Scott Morrison held up a lump of coal in the in the in the House of Representatives in 2019, 2020 and and championed the use of coal because that’s what we were doing and he knew he was losing votes to us.

Then he went to Glasgow for COP whatever it was 22 uh sorry COP 21 and came back a convert and said and he promised in his 2019 election campaign to never implement net zero. He came back from the he then went to the he got re-elected on that basis. He then went to a conference of parties conference from the United Nations in Glasgow. Came back and said we’ve got to implement net zero. They implemented net zero. The nationals meekly followed. Meekly followed. They just did whatever they were told. And now, we have continued to put so much pressure on them because we’re the only party that has opposed net zero from the start. Always will and always will continue to do so, Topher. So the Nationals are really under our pressure. So are the Liberal Party really under our pressure. You’ve seen us go up in the polls. You saw what happened to us in the last election. Had a magnificent doubling of the senators. We’ve now got as many senators as the National Party, I believe. So what’s happening is they’re scared and they’re realizing that people are waking up. Bill Gates is saying uh the the climate scam, climate alarm was exaggerated. Uh that’s right. Keir Starmer has said the climate uh coalition the climate consensus is collapsing. He’s still going to keep going but the climate consensus is collapsing.

Topher, it seems to the press in this country that the whole world is converting to net zero. That is complete rubbish because most of the developing world most of the uh world apart from the the dopey western countries that have fallen for this woke rubbish are not committed to it. The forecast for coal consumption are dramatically higher in the future by 2040 be much much higher than today natural gas consumption. The world has looked at at the west and has said we want what you’ve got which is civilization. We want what you’ve got which is development and we know that you’ve got that through coal natural gas and oil human use of hydrocarbon fuels the lifegiving life enabling uh fuel. And that’s what they want. They’re converting handover fish from dung and wood to coal, oil, and natural gas. And they’re not going to stop until they get their their civilization. And then then they’ll think about it. [End video]

Well, energy is life, and cheap abundant energy is a cheap abundant life. I want to talk about polling for a moment because a few weeks ago, we saw a poll come out that put One Nation at 15% and the coalition or excuse me, the Liberal Party primary vote at 24%. Uh we’ve just seen another poll come out, I believe it was earlier today as we record this interview that has actually put uh One Nation at 18% just a few percentage points behind the Liberal Party absolutely smashing the Greens, which are arguably your counterpoint on the other side of politics. Why do you think it is that people are flocking to One Nation in such large numbers? And and do you actually believe this has the potential to become a reform style movement here in Australia or is that perhaps overegging the source a little bit?

[From video]

Well, until someone commented to that that effect, Topher. I’ve been thinking that’s overegging the source a little bit, but someone said at 18% this is now a reform style movement in this country. Immigration number one has led the way. Uh, One Nation has led the way. We’re number one. Cost of living, we’re number one. U energy costs, we’re number one. Housing, we’re number one. What what it reflects is our policies and our fair income approach. many of the things that Pauline has talked about 30 years ago, people are now saying she was right. She was absolutely right. She’s got it correct. Um and and so climate, we have been pushing against the climate scam from the start. I’ve never believed it and I never will. I’ve done the research. There is no scientific proof, which as you know, Topher, uh is empirical scientific data in a logical scientific point that proves cause and effect.

There’s none of that anywhere in the world. and and we’ll have more of a talk about that in the future. There’s no policy basis. There’s no no hard evidence that says not there’s no even soft evidence that says a given unit of carbon dioxide from human activity will have such will have a specified effect on on the climate or on temperature on sea levels or rainfall. There’s none of that. And without that, you can’t have a policy. There’s been no cost benefit analysis done on whether or not we should be wasting money on climate compared to say poverty, malnutrition, obesity, education. There’s been once once you get past these three hurdles which they have not then you there’s another hurdle and that is do a an option do do a cost benefit analysis on the various ways we can cut human carbon dioxide. Then once you’ve got that and there’s never been that either. So, all four strike out. So, then the next one is having a business case. There’s no business case for it. There’s and then the next case is once we’ve completely quantified that it’ll be in everyone’s benefit to do this then we have a project plan for building the grid again. There’s no project plan. We are running off a cliff with a blind Chris Bowen is running off a cliff with a blindfold on dragging the whole of the country with him and the Liberals are cheering him on. The Liberals have not got out of the Paris agreement. This is absolutely dishonest. It’s treasonous. [End video]

Well, to to buttress what you’ve just said there, you of course have quite famously challenged the CSRO and others to come forward with conclusive proof of of man’s anthropogenic CO2 emissions being a primary driver of the climate. And to my knowledge, they have they have yet to do so. Before we wind it up, Senator, you mentioned that you had something even bigger for me. I it would be remiss of me to wind up this interview without handing it over to you. I have no idea what you’re about to say, but please take it away.

[From video]

The environmentalists have been talking now for several years, some as long as long ago as 5 years, maybe even 10 years ago. I didn’t pay too much attention to it at the time, but in the last two years, they’ve been talking about it with more vigor. They want the right to represent the mountains, the trees, the creeks, the rivers, the lakes, the ocean. They want to defend them in court. This is absolute nonsense. But it shows how bold they’re becoming because that’s what they claim to be. And all they’re going to do is shut things down. They’re wanting to shut us from using coal. They’re wanting to shut us from exporting coal and natural gas. They’re wanting to shut us down completely. Where the hell do people think you get the materials to make solar panels and wind turbines? You get them out of the ground in coal, natural gas, steel, iron ore, etc. And the rare earth. This is absolutely insane. It’s an endgame for shutting down Australia. [End video]

It’s quite a funny one. There’s a graphic that goes around on social media from time to time that has a square shown on a map of the earth and it claims that that inside that square fit all of the solar panels that we would need to be able to power the entire globe. Uh and when I whenever I see that it is nonsense of course but whenever I see that I always reply and say uh now can you map the size of the hole in the ground needed for all of the minerals and the steel and the aluminum mounts and every all of the copper wires to distribute it? Like can we can we can we get to that bit please? and then tell me how you’re going to get the approval for those those mines through the environmental defenders. Well, Senator Robert,

[From video]

Needed the energy needed to build an electric vehicle is astounding. The electric vehicles will never be cost competitive because they go against the laws of physics. The the demand for resources to make an electric vehicle, especially rare earths, is far greater than than a petrol car or diesel car. These things will never be competitive, yet we’re told they are. Why do they still have subsidies? Why do they still have subsidies in solar and wind? Warren Buffett is the most astute investor ever to grace our planet. He said wind turbines are a lousy investment. Yeah. Subsidized wind turbines are a wonderful investment. It’s the subsidies that guarantee this. It’s complete rubbish. What it means Topher, that you and I are paying for money to go to Warren Buffett, go to the parasitic billionaires who and and corporations, most of whom are overseas, to take money off us for the sake of a a lie, a false alarm. [End video]

Well, Senator Malcolm Roberts, it is always a pleasure, as we said before we lined up this interview, uh the danger when we get together is that we can talk for a very long time. I’m sure we could today as well, but I’m going to call it there. Thank you for joining me once again on the Topher project.

[From video] Keep doing what you’re doing, Topher. [End video]

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